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Source of tree needles distress #922158

Asked November 19, 2025, 11:03 AM EST

This tree started to show color changes in the needles Midsummer. We interpreted that to being it needed additional watering. Rein intentionally added water from August to September and the needles did not improve. We may have overwatered or the tree may have been experiencing drought. Can you provide any insights to what you think has happened to our tree and if it’s salvageable?

Clinton County Michigan

Expert Response

Hello
How long has the tree been planted in that spot? Would you say your soil drains well? Is it more clay or more sand? 
Could you please attach a picture of the browning needles on the branch, taken from about 5-7 inches away in good focus? I need to see if there are any spots, dots, or other fungi in evidence on the needles.
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The soil would be more clay than sand. The water does seem to drain away though when we were watering it. The tree has been in the same position for two years. The first 18 months everything looked great. There are two additional trees next to it that I planted one year sooner in show perfect growth. 

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On Nov 19, 2025, at 11:18 AM, Ask Extension wrote:


The Question Asker Replied November 19, 2025, 5:30 PM EST

I'll say it's absolutely salvageable. I can say it looks like a needlecast disease, with the old needles browning and dropping, a lot of the new growth intact. Although this is really not common on concolor firs; concolor firs, are generally pest and disease free, why I'm skeptical it's diseased, but it is a possibility, as they're effected by a few fungi:

Example: https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/concolor_fir_turning_brown 

I would strongly suggest submitting a plant sample to MSU, taking multiple entire twigs, in various states, put them in a box and send to MSU for the lab to get a positive ID on something if anything. 

https://www.canr.msu.edu/pestid/submit-samples/

In the meantime, all that can be done is blow out underneath it any fallen and potentially diseased needles and dispose of them. 

 I'd also suggest refraining from watering it unless we're in a prolonged drought period as root rot is always a possibility, and excessive water will only contribute. 

And know that even if it is infected with a fungal disease, nothing can be done until next spring, in which preventive fungicides can be applied to protect the new and existing growth. Fungicides are effective for this, and the tree can make a full recovery. 

Best of luck.


Thank you for your question!  Replied November 19, 2025, 7:06 PM EST
Thanks again for your quick response! We live in East Lansing and wonder if we could drop off a sample to your facilities, if you are at the main MSU campus. Let us know and we’re eager to move forward to get definitive answer about our problem. Thank you.
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On Nov 19, 2025, at 7:06 PM, Ask Extension wrote:


The Question Asker Replied November 19, 2025, 8:50 PM EST

Yes, you can absolutely drop them off in person, the address is 578 Wilson Road, Rm. 109E, East Lansing, MI 48824 

Hours of operation: Monday through Friday, from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

You should call ahead and let them know you're coming - <personal data hidden> - and send an email to <personal data hidden> with the same pictures you sent to AskExtension. 

And this form you can either email with the pictures, or print and bring along with you.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/pestid/uploads/files/General%20Sample%20Submission%20Form%20MSU-PPD-Form-005-001.pdf

Best of luck.

Thank you for your question!  Replied November 20, 2025, 5:14 PM EST

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