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Asked May 13, 2024, 8:15 PM EDT

Hello, I am interested in planting tall evergreen shrubs along our back fence at the back fence of our property. We live near 169 and are looking for vegetation to hide the road/help with noise year round and be maintained to stay below the power lines that are 15-18 ft high above the ground in the area we would be planting them. We live in the twin cities metro. The fence is along the east side of our property and the plants would get filtered light through a large maple tree throughout most of the day (I am considering partial sun/shade plants due to this). We recently tested the soil in a near part of the yard through the U of M indicating very high potassium, 7.2 ph, and with minor needs in Potash and nitrogen (I've attached a picture of the results). I would like plants that would get somewhat dense for coverage and that would respond okay to trimming at the top if they got close to the power lines. Upon some research online and at bachmanns I found some Aborvitae that seem like they could be good options. The North pole seemed the most promising or the American Pillar. 1) Are these shrubs suitable for what I would be looking for and/or are there any other considerations I should be making? 2) Are they good plants for Minnesota (from what I can see they are not invasive but I love to double check)? 3) Are these relatively drought tolerant? I am planning to do lots of watering the first few years but am curious about after that. 4) We have to wait for the electric company to assist taking down some trees that are currently growing into the power lines. (I am sad to lose these small trees but as they grow bigger they will be very problematic with the power line there. That being said, it will be up to a month before they are cleared and we can plant these shrubs. When is it too late to plant them or are we better of waiting until fall? 5) Anything else I should be considering or other plants that would work well? I really appreciate your assistance. Thank you!

Hennepin County Minnesota

Expert Response

Hi Adelaide,

Arborvitae are good shrubs to create privacy in Minnesota. They'll grown in partial sun. But they're not drought tolerant. They need to be watered regularly in dry summers and especially in the fall, before the ground freezes.

Your soils are normal for this area. You don't need to do any amending to plant.

These pages may be helpful:

https://extension.umn.edu/trees-and-shrubs/choosing-evergreens-your-landscape

If we have another hot dry summer wait to plant your arborvitae until late August and into September. Then water well and regularly right up until the ground freezes. Evergreens never go dormant in winter like deciduous trees do, so this is critical to getting them safely through the first winter.

If you live in an area where there are deer, they may be attracted to your arborvitae in winter. Some people use repellents or fencing to protect the plants:

https://www2.conifersociety.org/blogpost/2082607/489911/How-to-Prevent-Arborvitae-Deer-Damage

If deer are a concern, tall junipers are an alternative. Deer usually aren't eager to eat them, and upright junipers share the height and evergreen qualities of arborvitae. Once established, junipers are more drought-resistant than arborvitae. But they may be less adaptable to partial shade.

You might want to visit a garden center and look at the arborvitae as well as tall junipers like "Skyrocket" and "Medora." You'll see what they look like and can balance the pros and cons. Talk to nursery staff about your site and see what they advise.

Planting guidance for junipers would be the same as for arborvitae. Planting in heat and drought is bad for any plant, but temperatures should be cooling by late August and September.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

MJ Replied May 14, 2024, 10:47 PM EDT
Wonderful. Thank you so much for your assistance. We do not have deer-in the city with a fenced in yard so I think I am going to go with the arborvitae just in case the other variety would not have enough light. 

I recently submitted another question about this more extensively but I wanted to check in in relation to the arborvitae. I recently realized we have creeping bellflower. There is some in part of the area I want to plant the arborvitae. I plan to do my best to dig it out in that section before planting the hedges. I know I will likely not get it all because of how persistent they are. My plan would be to continue managing the creeping bellflower through cutting down around the arborvitae periodically. Do you know if the arborvitae would be able to survive when competing with the bellflower? Would it be better to try to dig out the bellflower this spring, try an herbicide in the fall (not something I’d typically do but due to the extreme circumstances of bellflower) and then do one more dig out in the spring and plant the shrubs in the spring? 

Thanks! 

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:47 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied May 15, 2024, 9:40 AM EDT


Arborvitae will survive creeping bellflower. It's worth trying to get rid of the bellflower, though, because it will continue to spread.

Digging works, if you get the entire root. The plant fools you because once you remove the carrot-like white roots six or seven inches down you think you've got the whole thing. You don't -- the root near the surface is often connected by a thin white strand to a large parent root deeper down. Any small piece of root left behind will result in a new plant.

Spring is a good time to try to dig the plants out. Dig out as much as you can. Then watch for resprouting and baby plants and immediately spray the leaves with glyphosate (the most common brand of this herbicide is Roundup). While creeping bellflower is resistant to many kinds of herbicides, the youngest and smallest plants seem susceptible to glyphosate.

Chemical treatment is most effective now and in the fall. With glyphosate you should spray, wait (the plants often don't show damage right away) and if after a couple of weeks the plants still look strong, spray again. Be careful; read the label before using. Glyphosate should be applied only to the plant you want to eliminate, it will kill any green plant.

Here's more information from the U and from a master gardener.

https://extension.umn.edu/weeds/creeping-bellflower

https://www.ramseymastergardeners.org/post/creeping-bellflower

I hope this helps. Good luck!

MJ Replied May 16, 2024, 3:17 PM EDT
Thank you so much for your assistance. 

I'm trying to think about my timeline to tackle all of this. My original plan was to plant some native plants this spring ( I was awarded a Lawns to Legumes Grant) and then plant the Arborvitae this fall along the back fence of the garden, behind the native plants. ( I have attached a picture for your information--I had covered the area to prep for planting new plants and it was early spring so you can’t really see the bellflower )

However, now that I am realizing I have creeping bellflower I am trying to figure out my timeline. I want to plant the arborvitae as soon as possible so they can start growing and I have to get the natives into the ground by the beginning of July to qualify for the grant. 

My tentative plan now would be: 

1) Dig the bellflower out the best I can right now this spring.  
2) Focus on planting natives this spring in areas with less bellflower. 
3) As the bellflower comes back/and this fall paint on an herbicide to the bellflower
4) Plant arborvitae this fall... 

Is there anything you would advise I adjust on this plan? I wish I had the time to just tackle the bellflower before putting in other plants but I need to meet the grant deadline and I really want the privacy hedge to start growing. I could wait until next spring to plant the arborvitae if that would be recommended. Do you know if it is 'relatively safe' to paint on an herbicide to the bellflower if it is near other plants such as arborvitae or if I should avoid planting new plants shortly after using an herbicide in an area? 

I appreciate your assistance, 

Adelaide
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On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 2:17 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied May 16, 2024, 5:14 PM EDT

Your plan makes sense. Be careful using herbicide and make sure it gets only on the bellflower. If you use glyphosate it will be confined to the plant you’re trying to kill.

Don’t wait too long to plant the arborvitae. They should be in the ground before the end of September (I’d actually aim for the end of August) and watered until the ground freezes.

If you don’t think you can get them in the ground early enough postpone planting until next spring,

MJ Replied May 16, 2024, 9:49 PM EDT
Thank you! I'll give it a try!


On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 8:49 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied May 17, 2024, 8:24 AM EDT

Good luck.

MJ Replied May 19, 2024, 9:57 PM EDT

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