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Fertilizer for Lawn #766797

Asked August 10, 2021, 6:49 PM EDT

With the crazy dry summer, we held off on fertilizing our lawn this summer. We applied a treatment in spring for crabgrass preventer but then held off on lawn food due to heat. We live in Dayton with a sandy loam soil and would like to put down some lawn food yet this year. What is a good ratio of nitrogen/potassium/etc for a late summer lawn food application? We were also thinking of doing a pre-winter feed so what would be the best ratio for that application? Also, the heat certainly has created its fair share of creeping charlie increases. I plan to spray this fall for weeds; creeping charlie, thistles, etc. Any tips on a good 'take' to get rid of the more awful weeks such as this? I know, I hate to spray too but we have 5 acres with over 4 acres being natural and I am careful to spray when calm to reduce drift.

Hennepin County Minnesota

Expert Response

Thanks for the question.

Two comments before addressing your questions:

1). We as Master Gardeners strongly recommend that a soil test be done every four or five years on yards. This really is the best way to determine accurately what type and composition of fertilizer to apply. In the absence of such a test, all we can do is to make a guess as to lawn fertilizer. If you want to pursue this option, please see:

https://soiltest.cfans.umn.edu/testing-services

2). In Minnesota the optimum time for fall yawn fertilizing is between now (mid-August 2021) and mid-October. Generally by October the ground will have started to freeze. Once this begins, any subsequent fertilizer that is applied has little chance of being taken up by the grass. When this occurs, the grass could easily experience fertilizer burn. In short, we would suggest that you only fertilize once this fall and forego the “pre-winter feed”. See the following lawn care calendar that the University of Minnesota has prepared:

https://extension.umn.edu/planting-and-growing-guides/lawn-care-calendar

With respect to a specific fertilizer, we would suggest a granular fertilizer in contrast to a fertilizer that is applied as a liquid spray. This means that the fertilizer will slowly release its nutrients, which is the best way to prepare your grass for the winter. Soil in Hennepin County is usually high in phosphorous so avoid any fertilizer having phosphate. Typically sandy loam soils tend to drain rather quickly and nitrogen levels become low. Look for a fertilizer that is between 15% and 20% nitrogen. Soil potassium (potash) levels in your area can show much variation so there may be no need to add any further or only a moderate need. Look for a fertilizer having 5% to 10% potash. In short, use a fertilizer that shows a composition of approximately 15-0-8. There will be no need to add any crabgrass preventer.

As volunteer Master Gardeners of the University of Minnesota, we cannot recommend any specific product or commercial vendor. However I did check the websites of various garden centers and big box stores in your area and found lawn fertilizers with compositions of 25-0-6 , 20-0-12, and 18-0-8. You may or may not be able to find fertilizers with these exact compositions. They are often termed “winter fertilizer” or similar words. Any fertilizer with such a designation would be fine.

As to weed control, look for a broad leaf herbicide whose label specifically states that it is effective against thistle and creeping charlie. Your spraying could start any time after the third week of August and extending through September. You may want to consider two applications: one just before Labor Day and one about three weeks later.

Please get back to us with any additional questions you might have. Good Luck!

An Ask Extension Expert Replied August 11, 2021, 12:18 AM EDT
Great information!

How long does it take to get a results from a soil test?

Thank you!

Julie

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 11:18 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied August 11, 2021, 12:27 AM EDT

Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately I can't provide an accurate answer for your question.  On the soil testing website that was sent, there is a contact number.  Ring them up and ask what their current turn-around time is?  I believe that individual tests now run about $17/sample.  Consider sending in two separate samples from two disparate sites in your yard.  When you get your soil analyses back, and if you are so inclined, take some pictures of the sheets having the analyses so that we can revisit our previous recommendations.

Thanks for using our forum.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied August 11, 2021, 12:35 AM EDT
As a follow-up, would a fall lawn food with a composition of 32-0-12 be acceptable considering the only application we put down this year was the first spring app (weed and feed)?  32 seems a little high but with cooler weather and if I get it down on Wed before Thursday's potential rain; maybe it won't be too high?

Also, I was planning on putting down grub control (fertilizer granual type) to help keep the voles away during the winter.  Can they be put down at same time (different application) as the fertilizer?

Thanks.

Julie

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The Question Asker Replied September 13, 2021, 3:24 PM EDT

Thanks for the response.

The 32-0-12 fertilizer will probably be acceptable. Again I want to emphasis that in the absence of a soil analysis, it is very difficult to provide you with meaningful and accurate answers. Now would be a good time to apply it. As was previously suggested, try to obtain a fertilizer that indicates it is a “winter fertilizer”.

With respect to grub control, this will have no impact upon the voles in your yard. Voles do not eat grubs. They strictly are seed and plant eaters. Grub control may impact the diet of moles who do feast on grubs, worms, and small insects. However the most effective way to deal with moles is by trapping. I am a bit puzzled why you think that your lawn is experiencing damage from the presence of grubs. If, perhaps, you are thinking about Japanese Beetle grubs, it is now too late to apply any type of effective control procedure. In short, I see no reason to deal with grub control this fall. Here are some sites providing information on these and related points:

https://www.almanac.com/pest/voles

https://extension.umn.edu/planting-and-growing-guides/how-trap-moles

https://extension.umn.edu/planting-and-growing-guides/vole-damage

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/how_to_choose_and_when_to_apply_grub_control_products_for_your_lawn

https://www.crabgrasslawn.com/grubs-in-lawn/

Please get back to us if you have any further questions. Good Luck!!

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 13, 2021, 6:44 PM EDT
thank you for your response.  Upon further review, it is voles that eat up our yard over the winter.  However, last fall I put down grub control and we hardly had any vole damage in the spring so I figured it couldn't hurt.  I put down grub control last year because we had a tree that was being beat up to death by woodpeckers.  The woodpeckers went away too.  I didn't need to do the entire yard with grub control for the tree with woodpeckers but I thought why not since I know we have grubs in lawn from when digging in the yard. 

For whatever reason the voles went away, I liked the results so thought the grub control wouldn't hurt again this year!

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Thank you for your informative email.

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The Question Asker Replied September 13, 2021, 10:20 PM EDT

Glad to have been of assistance.  Thanks for using our forum.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 13, 2021, 10:59 PM EDT

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