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pine needles/compost #745966

Asked April 23, 2021, 6:25 PM EDT

Hi, I was wondering if you can use the ashes from burning pine needles for compost? I know that you can use pine needles but they break down really slowly. We live in La Pine, Oregon by Pringle falls. It is still dropping below 32 degrees at night. Keeping the compost bin warm enough seems to be a big problem. If I add red worms, they will die. Also, I emailed you before about thermal green houses and I can't find the email of the resources you recommended for me to look at. If you could please send it again, I would really appreciate it. Thank you, Johanna Thanks, Johanna Kersten

Deschutes County Oregon

Expert Response

Johanna Kersten:

I have asked the Ask Extension wrangler to also send your question to whomever originally sent you information about geothermal greenhouses. This is because the wrangler reviews each question and sends it to the expert on that field. I'm the compost expert. :)

As to ash - 
1. Ash is a source of highly soluble phosphorus and potassium - but no nitrogen whatsoever. Phosphorus fertilizers, in particular, are slow to dissolve in water - dissolving is the first step to being available to plants.
2. Ash rapidly raises the pH of soil.
3. The extension recommendation for ash is 5-10 lbs per 1000 square feet of garden per year. Here is an older Extension publication about that. It has been pulled from the Extension catalog but is available through the University Libraries:

Using wood ashes in the home garden

Find the "Download PDF" button under the image of the publication.

4. I think the difference between ash from wood and ash from conifer needles will be minimal.


If you add ash to garden soil or compost regularly, I strongly urge you to have a pH test done annually. This could be a meter or a test kit from the garden center. It doesn't have to be exact results for you to observe a trend - soil pH above about 7.5 may cause problems for some plants. pH 8 or above is definitely too high for vegetable gardens.

Soil pH results are easiest to compare from year to year when the sample is collected during the same 2 week period each year. Soil pH fluctuates on an annual cycle, so the results you get from a sample collected in May cannot be compared to the results from a sample collected in October.


Personally, I don't add anything that will change pH to my compost until the moment I'm about to apply the compost. This is because I'm pretty impulsive about gardening projects and may not remember in the heat of the moment whether this particular batch of compost has had ash or lime added. This makes a problem for acid-loving plants like blueberry, ferns, fuchsia, salal - the landscape plants that grow well on the north side of the house.

Linda J. Brewer, Senior Faculty Research Assistant II Replied April 26, 2021, 12:26 PM EDT

Greetings Johanna,

Please see Linda's answer to your compost question, here is the previous answer to your Greenhouse Question:

Hi Johanna, I would recommend you do a search for plans on-line or there are several books available on greenhouse design/build. Here is one site that may be helpful: https://extension.umn.edu/growing-systems/deep-winter-greenhouses You can check our website as we sometimes offer classes on greenhouse design and growing. Nothing is scheduled yet for this year on that topic but maybe check back in a month: https://extension.oregonstate.edu/deschutes/home-garden-landscape-0 Is this greenhouse for personal use or for business. I am not aware of any grants for personal use.

Warm Regards,  Replied April 26, 2021, 1:46 PM EDT

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