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Dinotefuran soil drench for magnolia scale?? #878068

Asked July 20, 2024, 9:28 PM EDT

I've purchased Dinotefuran powder and the package states it is to be diluted & sprayed on my magnolia tree. Your site says to drench the soil and that's what I'd prefer - use it as a systemic. What is the right thing to do. The soil drench would be much easier.

Ingham County Michigan

Expert Response

Hi,

Please send me the full product name for what you purchased. I'll need to read the label for this specific product to assist you.

Thank you for your question! Replied July 22, 2024, 11:33 AM EDT

Thank you.  The product is 
Alpine WSG Water Soluble Granule Insecticide
  Dinotefuran:N-methyl-N- (tetrahydro-3- furanyl) methyl guanidine   40%
Other  Ingredients      60%
.35 ounce- 10 grams
    produced by BASG Corp in Japan

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:33 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied July 25, 2024, 10:12 PM EDT

Hi,

Unfortunately that product is not labelled for use on magnolia scale or for ornamental landscape areas. It should not be used to treat magnolia scale. You can read the full product label here: https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Alpine%20WSG%20Label%204-1-19.pdf

It may be that chemical was recommended previously, but further research has shown it to not be as effective for controlling this pest. I did find one publication that still recommends it's use during August, but they reference a product labelled for use with trees "Orthro Tree & Shrub is one possible trade name": https://entomology.ca.uky.edu/ef431. However, I checked that product line and it no longer contains the active ingredient Dinotefuran.

Generally, systemic insecticides containing the active ingredient Imidacloprid, can be applied as a soil drench at the root zone of the infested tree usually in early May a few weeks before crawlers hatch to allow the insecticide time to move through the tree.

Unfortunately, you may have been looking at an outdated bulletin that did not have currently recommended practices for this pest.

On the bright side, we are approaching the time of year where you would apply Horticultural oils, often called summer oils, in late August. These have been shown to be very effective in reducing scale populations. Oils can also be applied in fall before freezing weather and again in early spring before the flower buds swell to kill the overwintering nymphs located on the stems. 

We do have an updated article on this topic that you can find here: https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/why-is-sap-dripping-from-my-magnolia-tree

Thank you for your question! Replied July 29, 2024, 12:22 PM EDT
Thank you very much for your time and expertise.
Will Neem Oil work as a "summer oil"? I already have a bottle & from reading your info, it looks to me like it will.  Please reply.  If I need to buy the Ortho product, I will.
Kathy

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:22 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied July 29, 2024, 2:15 PM EDT

You could apply neem oil, but it's generally not used for scale. 

What you'd be looking for is a horticultural oil product like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Bonide-BND212-Horticultural-Spray-212-Concentrate/dp/B000FOONE0/ref=asc_df_B000FOONE0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=<personal data hidden>1&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=<personal data hidden>113779089&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9051606&hvtargid=pla<personal data hidden>898&mcid=d798f4888fb23651816a5d30cbe60059&hvocijid=<personal data hidden>113779089-B000FOONE0-&hvexpln=73&gad_source=1&th=1

I'm not endorsing this product in particular, this is just to give you an example of what to look for. The active ingredient will be mineral oil and there are concentrate and ready to use formations that should be available.

Be sure to read the label since there may be a different concentration to use in the summer as opposed to fall. Also, take care to avoid spraying during the heat of the day, since oil can cause burning if applied when it's sunny out.

Thank you for your question! Replied July 29, 2024, 3:32 PM EDT
Thank you so much for the information.  I plan on doing this and have been watching for the scale to break.

Will I actually SEE the crawlers on my tree?  That's what I'm watching for prior to spraying the product you recommended.  Thank you again.
Kathy, Okemos

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:33 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied August 22, 2024, 4:38 PM EDT

Yes, the crawlers from magnolia scale should be large enough for you to see. You'll likely want to do a few applications, even if you don't see them though. I'd recommend spraying soon, then following up with 1-2 more sprays at 2-3 week intervals. Be sure to follow the directions on the label of the product you purchased, though. There will be recommendations there on how best to treat for magnolia scale using that product.

Thank you for your question! Replied August 23, 2024, 3:57 PM EDT
Thank you so much for the info!
Kathy

On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 3:57 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied August 23, 2024, 4:03 PM EDT

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