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Caterpillars in the tree #875970

Asked July 05, 2024, 9:00 AM EDT

Hello- what are these caterpillars and what do you recommend I do for this tree?

Chittenden County Vermont

Expert Response

Hi Mary, 

At first glance, my mind went straight to Eastern tent caterpillars, but on closer inspection of one of the photos, I'm leaning towards a fall webworm, which appears in late summer. The identifying pattern of the black paired tuburcules along the back, in combination with the tent being located at the end of a branch as opposed to a "crotch" likely confirm these are webworms. 

In either case, the advice is the same. These are native species with lots of natural predators, and rarely kill a healthy established tree, although they may defoliate sections of the tree which affects its ornamental value. Recommendations generally include: 

- Leaving them alone and accepting the risk of significant aesthetic damage  

- Removing the webbed "tent" and the caterpillars within with a stick or other implement (something that will do minimal damage to the branches on which the tent is situated)

- Pruning affected branches if the tent is in one place, is small, is within reach, and if location allows you to do so without affecting the desired "look" of the tree 

Please note chemical controls can be used, but are likely to be overkill. If you choose to remove the tent physically, caterpillars can be tossed into a bucket of soapy water or frozen to kill them and ensure they do not return. Additional advise includes doing your best to maintain the health of the tree while the pests are there, to ensure it bounces back from the damage successfully (A good watering/feeding schedule, etc). Branches with egg sacs in the off season if you find them - can be pruned as well. 

Hope this helps! 

Best, 
Kristin

Resources: 

Fall Webworm (psu.edu)

Fall webworms: Should you manage them | Purdue Extension Forestry & Natural Resources

An Ask Extension Expert Replied July 05, 2024, 9:56 AM EDT
Thank you so much Kristin for your rapid response with so much helpful information and recommendations. I am very grateful!

Do you have a resource for information on how to be supportive to this tree? It’s had a few stressful years prior to being freed from a thick overgrowth of vines and the invasive rose plant late last summer that had practically obscured it from observation.  I lived here for 2 years before I realized it was under that tangle of vegetation. 

Thank you again Kristin!

All the best,

Mary

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 9:56 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied July 05, 2024, 5:22 PM EDT

Hi Mary! 

The images you provided have given our specialist in "woody" plants such as this tree a chance to try and ID the species, so I can give you more specific advice, but the photos aren't quite giving him enough to work off of. If you can provide clearer, close up images of leaves, etc that would be very helpful in identification. Does the tree flower or fruit at all? If you can provide some more specific photos for identification and give us more information on whether it has any flowers or fruit on it at any point during the year, it would help us ID the tree and provide you with specific advice or resources. 

The best advice I can give without knowing the species of tree (and therefor its specific requirements), is to continue to check it for signs of distress once you've removed the pests. Often they bounce right back from smaller setbacks, and it sounds like this tree is determined to thrive! 


An Ask Extension Expert Replied July 08, 2024, 11:34 AM EDT
Whoops sent my message before I attached the photos!!

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 11:34 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied August 01, 2024, 9:38 AM EDT
Hello Kristin-

I did just what you recommended (cut off the affected areas and submerged the affected vegetation in soapy water). The tree has not been reinfested!

Here are some pictures of the tree that might help with its identification.

I have not seen it flower or bear any fruit and it has had at least several years of living u see a tangle of vegetation. The northwest trunks of it are dead. 

I look forward to hearing what I
might do if anything to support this tree.

Thank you!

Mary 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 11:34 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied August 01, 2024, 9:38 AM EDT

Hello Mary, 

It appears this could be common buckthorn. There are some others that are common lookalikes (presented in the below link), but if it is buckthorn it is an invasive. 

Do you see berries on the tree at any point? Buckthorn has dark berries (as seen in the below resources) and would provide another identification opportunity. 

https://www.burnsvillemn.gov/DocumentCenter/View/2164/Printable-ID-Guide?bidId=

https://vtinvasives.org/invasive/buckthorn-common 

An Ask Extension Expert Replied August 05, 2024, 12:24 PM EDT
Thank you for the information.
I was so hoping it would be in the Prunus family due to its toothed leaf margins and leaf shape and I think you are absolutely correct. 
It does track with the hedgerow of invasives where it resides that it too would be an invasive species !!! Phooey!!!

Thanks so much for your help and time!!

Mary

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 12:24 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied August 06, 2024, 10:39 AM EDT

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