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What is this insect and is it causing the problem on my Phlox #875604

Asked July 02, 2024, 8:41 AM EDT

This fly is on my Phlox every time I look. It is fast. The Phlox are deformed on top.

Windsor County Vermont

Expert Response

Hi Suzanne,

Thanks for reaching out to the UVM Extension Master Gardener Helpline.

Hmmm. The photo didn't allow us to get a good look at that fly and since you said it is fast, I'm not sure if it would be helpful to try to submit another one. What would be great, is to get a photo or two of the underside of the leaves. 

Here's why -- There are several possible causes of the cupped/curled leaves on phlox. First, phlox prefer moist, even-soil moisture. Leaves can curl to conserve moisture as a reaction to heat stress and inadequate moisture.

However, spider mites are another possibility. They feed on the underside of the plant’s leaves, sucking sap from the leaf. As the feeding progresses, it causes the leaf to “cup” downward. Leaves may become speckled in appearance, turn yellow/brown, and eventually drop. You may be able to see webbing on the undersides of the leaves. Here’s a really nice description of spider mites, provided by our friends at South Dakota State University Extension: https://extension.sdstate.edu/spider-mites-garden-phlox.

Aphids also feed on the undersides of the leaves and can cause leaf distortion. They usually do not cause little long-term damage, but populations can explode so monitor frequently for them.

And phlox plant bugs are another possibility. They live under the leaves and also feed on plant juices. Their feeding initially causes white or light green spots on the leaves. Continued feeding can result in leaf curling, turning brown, and falling off. Management for aphids and phlox plant bug is the same as spider mites.

Take a look at the undersides of the phlox leaves and look for evidence of the above. You may be able to immediately determine the cause. If not, send along a couple of clear, close-up pics and we will see if we can determine what's going on.

Happy Gardening! Replied July 03, 2024, 1:41 PM EDT
Thank you. It is definitely not spider mite. I know what that looks like and the leaf undersides are ok. It really that the top inch or two of growth is deformed. I have a lot of Phlox and it is on all of the plants except one in a remote location.
The only things that I have done are 1) spray about weekly with liquid fence to keep deer away. But that is mostly egg whites, thyme oil, etc and 2) I spread some green sand and rock phosphate across the soil about a month ago.
Any other ideas?
Thanks,
Suzanne

On Jul 3, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:


The Question Asker Replied July 03, 2024, 2:11 PM EDT

Hi Suzanne,

I'd like our plant pathologist to take a look at your question. Would you mind submitting a few more close up photos of the damage, including the underside of the leaves if you can? Also, I see some white residue on the plants -- is that due to the liquid fence spray or powdery mildew? Do you see anything unusual along the stem of the plant from the base at the soil all the way up to the affected tip? Any holes, discoloration of the leaves, egg masses, etc.? There are a few things that can cause cupping / deformities in plants including heat stress, herbicide drift, etc. and I'm also wondering about aster yellows. 

Happy Gardening! Replied July 05, 2024, 10:21 AM EDT
Thank you. The white was diatomaceous earth that I tried. This morning, I had snails everywhere and put some slug pellets out, so they may show up in the pictures too.
There is no powdery mildew and I have not found spider mites.
There is a bit of browning and die-off of lower leaves on my Phlox but I don't see anything else on stems and leaves. My gardens are crowded and I discovered jumping worms in my compost area last fall, so I have not divided any plants because I cannot give any away. I am working on a new bed to move Phlox in the fall.
I inherited this garden and have been working on it for seven years. The soils were very poor and plants were growing in the middle of other plants.  I have worked hard to improve them, including getting soil tested at UVM. Most of these Phlox have been here for many years.
Thank you.
Suzanne Leiter

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 10:21 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied July 05, 2024, 11:19 AM EDT

Hello Suzanne, I reached out to our plant pathologist to take a look at the photos you sent along. We are in agreement that the issue is not the fly. They said it would likely be a plant bug like tarnished plant bug or another true bug (in the Hemiptera family). These insects cause deformed flowers and fruits. For example, tarnished plant bugs and their nymphs feed on the stems, leaves, and blossoms; as they are feeding, they release a toxin into the plant that stunts or otherwise deforms growth. Tarnished plant bugs (TPB) are also very quick movers so they may be difficult to spot. Here is a handy info sheet prepared by our colleagues in NH that describe TPB and control options. I hope that helps!

Happy Gardening! Replied July 07, 2024, 8:44 PM EDT
Thank you very much.
For the last two years, I have used the “chop and drop” method of perennial garden clean up. And I have covered the beds with a lot of leaves. Sounds like I am making a habitat for overwintering bugs. I am going to change my fall practices.
Suzanne

On Jul 7, 2024, at 8:44 PM, Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:


The Question Asker Replied July 08, 2024, 8:03 AM EDT
Hi Suzanne:

That sounds like a good plan.  I  noticed the NH TPB resource Deb refers to in her reply was not included, so I am including it here - https://extension.org/search_gcse/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=NH%20Tarnished%20Plant%20Bug
An Ask Extension Expert Replied July 08, 2024, 8:33 AM EDT

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