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Garden disease #869574

Asked May 22, 2024, 8:57 AM EDT

I am watching the garden I started 20 years ago kill every vegetable plant I put in die. It was really bad last year, you could watch all tomatoe and pepper plants die within a few hours. For some reason my cucumbers were spared. I sprayed some copper fungal spray once the plants started showing distress and sprayed neem oil this spring before planting, but even the pots around my garden won't let anything live. How do i identify the disease killing only vegetable plants in my yard Flowers are not affected, trees shrubs and other plants are fine.

Jackson County Michigan

Expert Response

Hi Chris, thanks for the question. 

Disease is a definite consideration; however, there are some other considerations to consider.  Do you have any Black Walnut trees? Tomatoes and peppers are susceptible to Black Walnut toxicity, but cucumbers are tolerant.  Some plants are more inclined to suffer from certain nutrient deficiencies or toxicities. Have you had a recent soil test? If not you can get a mailer at https://homesoiltest.msu.edu/.  Have you recently amended the soil or add mulch?  What medium/soil did you put the pots?  Has anything recently changed in your landscape near your garden? When did the plants fail?  Just after planting? As far as diseases, a fungal wilt like Fusarium or Verticillium are possibilities.  To identify a disease,  any signs or symptoms would need to be identified, pictures can be a big help.  Verification may require a sample of a failing plant.  Any additional information you could share could be helpful.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 23, 2024, 11:14 AM EDT
Thanks, first, there are no walnut trees of any kind near me, there is a Catalpa tree close and a crabapple tree, too. Every fall after my garden is done, i rake leaves up in my yard, throw them in the garden and burn them. Last fall i decided to compost. In early march i applied something called 'compost starter' that required me to keep it wet- which i did until mid-may before tilling it. I did that one other time about 12 years ago and it seemed to do ok. Every May before I rototill I add 6 cubic feet of peatmoss, and i bag of garden lime. My garden is 16' x 20'. my pots get half the dirt from the previous year dumped and either Miracle grow potting soil or Schultz brand potting soil mixed in. My plants are dying in the pots as fast as the ones in my garden. I turned in soil samples to the Jackson County Conservation district, and they recommended I contact you about disease as they test for quality of nutrients only. I did this by mail 4 years ago and my test results were very good in all catagories. I will attach  some pics. I don't have any  of the first 8 tomatoe plants that turned very  pale in color and died in about 4 days. Nor the entire row of cucumbers this year that were on the same side of my trellis.
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the pepper and tomatoe plants in the pictures I started from seeds and the picture of ALL  the pots from the group are the ones a couple at a time I keep trying to get to take. They  slowly die every time. That group of pots is 10 feet from my garden and are extremely healthy ( though small) until I put them in the ground or in a pot.

On Thu, May 23, 2024, 11:14 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied May 23, 2024, 9:16 PM EDT

Hi again.

Thanks for the additional information.  After evaluating your process, one thing stood out leading to a question of soil pH.  To counteract the acidity of 6 cubic feet of peat only requires around   2⅔ lbs of dolomitic lime.  In addition, burned leaves will also increase the soil pH.  Soil pH increase with lime can take time.  Adding excessive amounts over years can cause the pH to creep higher and higher until some plants can no longer tolerate it. Some nutrients become unavailable to the plants when pH is higher or lower than recommended.  A new soil test could confirm this.  I will continue to evaluate the information you sent, especially the pictures to determine if there are any suspect diseases.


An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 24, 2024, 10:45 AM EDT

Forgot to send this article along with the last post:

More reasons for soil testing - Agriculture (msu.edu)

An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 24, 2024, 10:49 AM EDT

Thank you, I will wait until my soil sample results come back and forward the results.

The Question Asker Replied May 24, 2024, 8:21 PM EDT

Hi Chris,

Just give me the report number /code when you receive it.


An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 29, 2024, 8:33 AM EDT
The report # is from A&L and it is      F24149-0155
It has an account # also which is 86301 in case that is needed. I see that my ph is at 7.2. Is that causing the problem? 
     I received an email with 3 downloads from my 2 samples, the one that says tomatoe sample had a small dead plant in the bag with it in case disease could be detected. If I can forward the email to you with these results, which might be easier, let me know how I can get them to you. Thank you.

On Wed, May 29, 2024, 8:33 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied May 30, 2024, 4:44 PM EDT

Hi Chris, 

Sorry, I thought you got the tests through MSU.  I belief you can forward these through the system.  You can take a screen shot and forward like a picture.  

An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 31, 2024, 9:01 AM EDT
Sorry, I took these samples to the Jackson county conservation district. When you see the title of the 2 samples, one is a sample from my garden, the 2nd says 'tomato sample' which is from the pots around the garden and it contained a small tomato plant that died in case it was needed to detect disease.

On Fri, May 31, 2024, 9:01 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied May 31, 2024, 9:05 PM EDT

Hi Chris,

Looking at the pictures, the plants seemed to show some sun scald damage but nothing that would cause the plants to fail. As to the pH, although it is a little high, it shouldn't cause this big of a problem.  Looking at the soil test report, it showed that organic matter was relatively high.  High organic soil can hold a lot of water.  How have you been irrigating your garden? Has your garden had a lot of rain?  What is your base soil like (sand, loam, clay)? Since so many of your plants (not all in the same family) have succumb to the problem, this would seem to suggest a cultural problem. What does the death process look like for the affected plants?  How are you fertilizing the plants?  Are you starting these plants from seeds?

Hope to hear from you soon.


An Ask Extension Expert Replied June 01, 2024, 9:26 PM EDT
Sorry I am delayed in this response, 1st: my soil is loamy- over the early years I had a friend with horses let me have composted manure for about 5 years but I couldn't keep up with the weeds, since then I have added peat moss and lime in the spring before tilling. Last year. I planted tomatoes in the garden and peppers in the surrounding pots and we watched them over the course of HOURS turn pale, wilt and die.....ALL of them except cucumbers which I trellis at one end and I had probably my best year with them. 2nd: when I put my plants in the ground or pots, I put about a tablespoon , at least, of Schultz tomatoe fertilizer in the hole with the plant and usually a little epsom salt (just a little) or even blood meal for the initial feeding. I did everything the same as I have in the same garden for 21 years now and this has never happened to me. I treated my soil with a disease control product today and I ordered a PH down product that I should receive soon and I plan to use the small amount and do another soil sample after that. If you give me the info to MSU's soil testing facility I will be glad to use them if it gives you easier access to my results. I live just a few miles from your Rogers preserve facility but all 3 times last year I tried to visit them, the gate  was locked and no one was around. FYI- last fall I went to one of the farms (Adams south of Jackson) that sold me some of my plants, I overheard one of the girls tell a customer at their produce store that they were very short of several varieties of vegetables because of a disease that did a lot of damage to the farm. That is why I am so concerned of disease. Thank you very much for helping with my dilemma, my garden means a lot to me! I will prepare new soil samples in the next week or so for analysis.

On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 9:26 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied June 03, 2024, 9:14 PM EDT

Chris,

In most cases of disease, you shouldn't see the plants die in a matter of hours.   Damping off can happens rather suddenly.  This causes the collapse near the soil line.  At later growth stages it is sometimes referred to as wirestem and may not be fatal.  The wilt diseases won't kill a plant in hours but can take out both tomatoes and peppers.  When the plants die, it is a good idea to do a "post-mortem".  Look at the roots, examine the leaves and stems.  Slice the stem to look for browning or streaking.  These can be clues to what the problem is. Check out these links:

Damping Off (psu.edu)

Possible Causes of Sudden Wilt and Death in Tomatoes | Nebraska Extension in Lancaster County (unl.edu)

Fusarium and Verticillium Wilts of Vegetables (usu.edu)

Identification and Management of Soilborne Diseases of Tomato | Ohioline (osu.edu)

If you go ahead with another soil test, it would be a good idea to add minor nutrients to the tests.

What is your water source (city, well)?  Do you soften your water?  



An Ask Extension Expert Replied June 04, 2024, 10:43 PM EDT
I get the feeling that my problem is complicated.....I am hoping for simple. I reviewed the links you sent and don't think I am experiencing any of those problems. Once I treat my garden with this Ph down product, which I intend to keep at a minimum, I will plant some more mature plants and maybe take pictures a couple of times a day as time lapse to see if the change and hopefully progression with growth. I want to tell you my fertilizing schedule, I start with tomatoe fertlizer and some blood meal at first planting, every 2 to 3 weeks I like to change it. I use fish fertilizer, a miracle gro product, and bone meal once I expect fruit to begin to grow for good phosphorous presence for good size for both tomatoes and peppers. I do want to do soil testing again to see where my Ph is. Does your dept have a mail in lab? I will be glad to use MSU's testing. I can not tell you how much I appreciate your expertise. I just think gardening should be basic and simple, my problem seems very complicated.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024, 10:43 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied June 05, 2024, 9:07 PM EDT

HI Chris,

Yes, MSU does have a mail in soil test (Get Started | MSU Soil Test); however, MSU uses A&L Great Lakes Lab for their testing.  I am not sure how you would add minors the standard home test.  You may have to go the commercial route if you go through MSU. Soil testing through MSU Extension - Soil Health.  You can contact the SPNL lab to determine how to go about adding tests <personal data hidden>.   

I would still be interested in knowing if you may have changed water sources, and how you are irrigating.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied June 10, 2024, 10:57 AM EDT
I treated my garden soil last week, then a couple days ago used the PH down product I ordered ( I used the minimum for this application) And planted 3 fairly mature tomatoe plants today. I also took the pots I emptied and completely refilled with really good quality potting soil and trans-planted my peppers and tomatoes I started from seeds into and returned the pots around the outside of the garden where I always keep them slightly elevated on boards. My water source is township water from Summit twsp in Jackson. It has been my water source from the beginning and had no negative effects on any other flowers, plants or vegetables previously. I will take some more soil samples to the same place I took my first samples as they, also, use A&L great lakes labs. Thank you for the follow up, I will take some time lapse pics of the plants over the next few days to watch their progress and forward them to you.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 10:57 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied June 10, 2024, 9:02 PM EDT

Chris, 

Let me know what you find out.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied June 14, 2024, 8:04 AM EDT
I'm sorry that time has gone by and I haven't responded. I don't get to come home from work less than 16 hour shifts very often. I took a short video of my garden yesterday and I seem to have overcome my problem. I sprayed a disease control product that sat 3 days in hot dry weather, then sprayed a PH down product at a minimum amount. I then began to plant vegetables a couple at a time to test the outcome. I now have a full garden that seems to be back to normal after 2 years of everything dying. I will attach a video of my plants and my son gave me a soil test kit that I am not impressed with, so I will re-submit some soil samples to Great Lakes testing to see the results, which has not happened yet. Thank you for your concern on my behalf. I will send you my soil test results when I get them.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, 8:04 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied June 26, 2024, 9:32 PM EDT

Thanks for the update.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied June 26, 2024, 10:01 PM EDT

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