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Starting a garden from scratch in the NEK #857287

Asked January 11, 2024, 3:04 PM EST

Hi! I’m an avid gardener and an orchard neophyte who just moved here from WA, just a few weeks ago. I have plenty of space for a good sized garden and a small orchard, but the growing tear here is very, very different from Washington state and I’m at a loss as to how to start. Our land is just raw right now. I’d love any help you can offer, and/or perhaps a recommendation as to whom else I might ask? Thanks! Heather Immoor<personal data hidden>

Essex County Vermont

Expert Response

Hi Heather,

Thank you for reaching out to the Master Gardener Helpline. You came to the right place, we have lots of resources for you!

The first thing I would do is think about your garden design and location. You will want to decide where you will be planting your orchard vs garden area. Note what areas get the most sun and if certain placements of the trees will shade out your garden area over time. Will you be creating raised beds or planting directly in the ground? 

Once you have figured out general planting locations, it is recommended you do a soil test in those areas. This is important for understanding your current soil conditions and what nutrients you will need for a successful growing season. Check out this link from UVM's Agricultural and Environmental Testing Lab: 

Soil Testing - Here you will find some great information on how to do a soil test, as well as recommendations on managing nutrients for specific crop groups. 

The USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map was updated in 2023, so you may want to take a look to verify which zone you are in. (there's a little bit of a range here in Vermont) This could be helpful in establishing varieties for your orchard and/or any perennial crops. I found an interesting episode from the UNH Extension program that has some helpful conversation on things like site selection, soil conditions, crop varieties, etc when considering a home orchard. You can listen or view the transcript here: Planning & Planting Podcast

The next step would be to spend time amending your soil based on your soil test results and nutrient needs. If you have any questions on understanding your soil report, don't hesitate to reach out. We have a great team here to help!

I'm also including a couple links that have some helpful tips on the vegetable growing season here in Vermont with info on soil temps and when to plant.

Getting Started with Vegetable Gardening

Planting the Garden

I hope you find this helpful and not too overwhelming. Please feel free to reach out any time if you specific questions. 

Welcome to Vermont!!

Carrie B. - UVM Extension Master Gardener Program Replied January 16, 2024, 2:00 PM EST
p.s. Thanks so much for that zone map- so technically we're 4b, but at least this year I'd hesitate to even go for 5a, and practically speaking it's been more like 5b. Though of course I know these are averages, and so far at least it's been a warmer/drier winter up here than normal.

Up here in the NEK would you say that it's safest to just stick to short-season things?

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:08 PM Heather Immoor <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
Hi Carrie,

Whew, apologies for the tardy response! This is WONDERFUL information and not at all overwhelming, thank you! Well, starting a garden completely from scratch, yes, that's overwhelming. But I can't do it without info, and you've given me a fantastic starting point. It's incredibly helpful having these links in one place.

I'd love to plant in-ground, unless the soil is just totally screwy (can't recall whether I mentioned it, but the septic inspector says sandy. We rolled up on December 2nd and there was a foot of snow on the ground, so I haven't even seen the soil yet, much less tested it in any way). My farmer friends have always recommended in-ground, and I have to say that once I took their advice my gardens really started performing. So my first task will be to send off for testing.

I think my biggest question is: if I have to till from scratch just to establish a plot, but mud season can last however long it lasts, but of course you can't go stomping all over (or tilling) muddy ground because you'll just end up with a giant brick, does that mean I essentially just prep this year and have a garden next year? Or maybe just short-season summer things? Wait for snow to melt/test/start indoors/wait for mud season to be over/till/amend/plant out, in that order? We're up in Island Pond and get a fair amount of snow.

Thanks so much for getting back to me! I love talking gardens. :) I'm excited to learn about gardening in a new region.

Cheers,

Heather

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:01 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied January 30, 2024, 4:13 PM EST
Hi Carrie,

Whew, apologies for the tardy response! This is WONDERFUL information and not at all overwhelming, thank you! Well, starting a garden completely from scratch, yes, that's overwhelming. But I can't do it without info, and you've given me a fantastic starting point. It's incredibly helpful having these links in one place.

I'd love to plant in-ground, unless the soil is just totally screwy (can't recall whether I mentioned it, but the septic inspector says sandy. We rolled up on December 2nd and there was a foot of snow on the ground, so I haven't even seen the soil yet, much less tested it in any way). My farmer friends have always recommended in-ground, and I have to say that once I took their advice my gardens really started performing. So my first task will be to send off for testing.

I think my biggest question is: if I have to till from scratch just to establish a plot, but mud season can last however long it lasts, but of course you can't go stomping all over (or tilling) muddy ground because you'll just end up with a giant brick, does that mean I essentially just prep this year and have a garden next year? Or maybe just short-season summer things? Wait for snow to melt/test/start indoors/wait for mud season to be over/till/amend/plant out, in that order? We're up in Island Pond and get a fair amount of snow.

Thanks so much for getting back to me! I love talking gardens. :) I'm excited to learn about gardening in a new region.

Cheers,

Heather

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The Question Asker Replied January 30, 2024, 4:13 PM EST
Oh geez sorry p.p.s.: back in the PNW we had some really good seed houses that catered specifically to that unique maritime PNW climate. Can you recommend anything similar for northern VT?

Thank you!

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:11 PM Heather Immoor <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
p.s. Thanks so much for that zone map- so technically we're 4b, but at least this year I'd hesitate to even go for 5a, and practically speaking it's been more like 5b. Though of course I know these are averages, and so far at least it's been a warmer/drier winter up here than normal.

Up here in the NEK would you say that it's safest to just stick to short-season things?

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:08 PM Heather Immoor <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
Hi Carrie,

Whew, apologies for the tardy response! This is WONDERFUL information and not at all overwhelming, thank you! Well, starting a garden completely from scratch, yes, that's overwhelming. But I can't do it without info, and you've given me a fantastic starting point. It's incredibly helpful having these links in one place.

I'd love to plant in-ground, unless the soil is just totally screwy (can't recall whether I mentioned it, but the septic inspector says sandy. We rolled up on December 2nd and there was a foot of snow on the ground, so I haven't even seen the soil yet, much less tested it in any way). My farmer friends have always recommended in-ground, and I have to say that once I took their advice my gardens really started performing. So my first task will be to send off for testing.

I think my biggest question is: if I have to till from scratch just to establish a plot, but mud season can last however long it lasts, but of course you can't go stomping all over (or tilling) muddy ground because you'll just end up with a giant brick, does that mean I essentially just prep this year and have a garden next year? Or maybe just short-season summer things? Wait for snow to melt/test/start indoors/wait for mud season to be over/till/amend/plant out, in that order? We're up in Island Pond and get a fair amount of snow.

Thanks so much for getting back to me! I love talking gardens. :) I'm excited to learn about gardening in a new region.

Cheers,

Heather

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:01 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied January 30, 2024, 4:27 PM EST

Hi Heather,

Ah yes...mud season. It is the time that brings joy as we enter an exciting new growing season, but it is patience we need at this time as we wait for ground to dry up enough to be able to get in the gardens. As you plan for the season ahead, you will definitely want to wait until the soil is dry enough to be workable. Once you receive your soil test results, (and actually see your soil) you may decide that tilling once or twice is your best bet if you have compacted soil or need to remove any vegetation. Too much tillage can negatively effect your soil over time by breaking it down too much or by bringing weed seeds to the surface. Here's a good article on that:

Reducing Tillage in your Garden

You will want to make sure your prep your soil really well before planting any perennial crops to ensure they have a good start. This may take a season or two to do.  As for your short season crops, if you have the space, starting seeds indoors can help you get a head start on the growing season. Here are a couple links to help you get an idea on when to plant in the ground in this climate and you can work backwards from there:

Zone 3-4 Planting Schedule

Zone 5-6 Planting Schedule

As for seed distributors, there are a few great ones here but I don't believe I am allowed to name them (we are not supposed to promote businesses). You could do a search and find the major one's here in Vermont and Maine.  

I hope I helped answer everything you asked. Keep sending questions...we love to talk gardening too!!

Carrie B. - UVM Extension Master Gardener Program Replied February 05, 2024, 8:49 AM EST
Hi!

Oh man I know it's sheer folly, but that 55 degree day (here in the NEK, no less) I was like dang, well if we don't get any more winter might as well start the garden. I didn't, of course, but shoot! I scratched the itch by stomping down to the field and digging up a soil sample. Beautiful stuff, I hope it tests out as good as it looks. Sent it out on Friday.

Hear you on the seed house front. I was on a drive the other day and came across High Mown! They sold those in the Co-op back where I used to live, I had no idea they were in Vermont! I'll poke around, see what's out there. We didn't have any of them physically nearby where we came from, so it'll be fun to be able to actually visit in person.

I have a nice little DIY indoor seed starting setup, though I think now that I'm in a shorter season environment I'll need to expand it a bit (and maybe spring for some real heating mats, rather than my old drugstore hot pad).

I do have another question! If you or any of your colleagues are off-grid: I'd love some tips on how to conserve water/water effectively in an off-grid setting. Our water supply is pretty far from the garden site, and on top of that our old well pump is by far the biggest draw on our solar setup. I'm not sure how to set the garden up to maximize impact/minimize water usage. Eventually we'll have rain barrels (though gutters don't seem to be a thing here, because of the tendency towards ice dams, I think?), but not quite yet.

Thanks again, such a pleasure talking dirt!

Heather

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The Question Asker Replied February 12, 2024, 12:47 PM EST
Hello Heather:  Here is a resource that provides several options -

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/design-of-rainwater-harvesting-systems-in-oklahoma.html

Hope this helps!
An Ask Extension Expert Replied February 14, 2024, 8:57 AM EST
Thanks!

Heather

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 8:57 AM University of Vermont <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied February 17, 2024, 2:20 PM EST
Hello!

I have another question for you. Since Vermont spring seems to be more of a state of mind than an actual predictable season (day before yesterday we were out on the front steps barefoot and wishing for iced tea; this morning we went out and shoveled the woodpile out from under a foot of snow), what do you do about spring veg- like peas, radishes, spinach? Starting that kind of stuff indoors doesn't seem to be quite the thing, or perhaps it's done differently here (coming from zone 8b PNW)? I've heard don't put anything in the ground til Memorial Day; what do you think, is that true?

Our snap peas and spinach are two of our favorite crops, so I want to make sure I get at least some! I'd so appreciate any tips.

Best,

Heather Immoor
Island Pond

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 2:17 PM Heather Immoor <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
Thanks!

Heather

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 8:57 AM University of Vermont <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied April 04, 2024, 2:26 PM EDT

Hi Heather,

Just when you think spring is here to stay, mother nature throws a curve ball. (you get used to that here in Vermont) 


As we talked about previously, starting seeds is a great way to get ahead of the game. For those early spring crops like peas and spinach you can sow directly in the ground when the soil is thawed and workable. These vegetables can germinate in soil temps as low as 40 degrees. (50-60 degrees being ideal) Generally, this would be around mid-April in most of Vermont. Keep in mind that the lower temps will just take them a little longer to germinate. Spinach and young pea plants can both tolerate frost, but once the peas have blossomed you would want to cover with a sheet or row cover if frost is expected as it can damage the flowers. Here's some more info on these topics:

Zones 3-4 Planting Schedule

Info on Peas

Memorial Day is usually when most Vermont gardeners feel like we are in the clear of frosts in the garden, but last year we had a late May frost that surprised everyone and did a lot of damage. So, you just never know. Having a few row cover sheets or cloches on hand and keeping an eye on spring weather can be really helpful. Also, check out the link below on the benefits of using cold frames to extend your season:

Cold Frames

Hope this helps!

Carrie B. - UVM Extension Master Gardener Program Replied April 04, 2024, 4:51 PM EDT
Thanks Carrie, this is a big help! Right after I emailed you I also stumbled across this handy calculator: http://awaytogarden.com/when-to-start-seeds-calculator/

Also found the High Mowing planting chart, and they're actually just about half an hour away from my house. I start a lot of stuff indoors, but I know peas and radishes don't like being transplanted. As soon as I can see dirt instead of snow (still coming down and I think we're approaching 16 inches in the space earmarked for the garden!) I'll get in some peas, see how it goes. I'll keep some cover handy just in case.

Thanks again!

Heather

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The Question Asker Replied April 04, 2024, 5:42 PM EDT

You’re Welcome. Those seed calculators are very handy. I Hope that snow melts quick!

Carrie B. - UVM Extension Master Gardener Program Replied April 05, 2024, 6:55 AM EDT
Already gone! :) We've reserved the rototiller.

One more question for you: we'd love to seed wildflowers everywhere (we have a lot of open field), but of course it's fields, so already grassed. The packets say to "rake in", but it's not bare soil (and we'd rather not till up all the grass). Can you recommend a good way to scatter and sow the wildflowers over a large area so a) they can root and b) the birds don't eat them before they germinate?

Thanks again!

Heather

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The Question Asker Replied April 09, 2024, 1:44 PM EDT

Hello Heather,

It sounds like you are off to a great start with your gardening plans.

To answer your last question about seeding wildflowers into a grassed meadow, take a look at this publication by the Xerces Society: https://xerces.org/sites/default/files/2018-05/16-027_02_XercesSoc_Organic-Site-Preparation-for-Wildflower-Establishment_web.pdf

There is also this pub: https://www.nature.org/content/dam/tnc/nature/en/documents/Restoration-Guide-Woody-Invaded-to-Conservation-Meadow.pdf and this one: https://extension.unh.edu/resource/planting-pollinators-establishing-wildflower-meadow-seed-fact-sheet

As you will see, all recommend removing or killing sod/grass in preparation of seeding wildflower plantings and then really paying attention to weed-free maintenance for the three years following planting. If you wanted to try to overseed wildflowers into existing sod, I would recommend a small test strip where you scalp the meadow grass and establish good seed-to-soil contact with some seed. You will likely not see a high germination rate but this approach will allow you to determine wildflower varieties that are likely to survive well in your meadow under your growing conditions.

Happy Gardening! Replied April 09, 2024, 2:30 PM EDT
Excellent, thank you!

Heather

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The Question Asker Replied April 09, 2024, 2:50 PM EDT

You are welcome! Good luck with the season and please do reach back out to us if questions come up along the way. 

Happy Gardening! Replied April 09, 2024, 2:52 PM EDT
Hello!

I’ve got another question, and google is failing me: how late is too late to plant seed potatoes in zone 4a/b? We do t mind eating small potatoes…..

Thanks!
Heather

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You are welcome! Good luck with the season and please do reach back out to us if questions come up along the way. 


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The Question Asker Replied May 28, 2024, 11:20 AM EDT
Hello Heather:

In Zone 4a/b, which is part of the cold climate zone, you can start
planting seed potatoes as soon as the soil can be worked, which is typically in late April to early May.  If you're open to eating small potatoes, you can plant them even a bit later, but keep in mind that the potatoes will be smaller due to the shorter growing season.

Here is a link to information on growing potatoes, for your review - https://extension.umn.edu/vegetables/growing-potatoes#planting-seed-pieces-293261
An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 28, 2024, 11:45 AM EDT
Thanks Lisa!

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Dear Heather, here's the response to your question:

Hello Heather:

In Zone 4a/b, which is part of the cold climate zone, you can start
planting seed potatoes as soon as the soil can be worked, which is typically in late April to early May.  If you're open to eating small potatoes, you can plant them even a bit later, but keep in mind that the potatoes will be smaller due to the shorter growing season.

Here is a link to information on growing potatoes, for your review - https://extension.umn.edu/vegetables/growing-potatoes#planting-seed-pieces-293261

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The Question Asker Replied May 28, 2024, 1:48 PM EDT
Your welcome!  
An Ask Extension Expert Replied May 28, 2024, 1:56 PM EDT
Hi!

I’ve got another question for you, now that summer is in full (s)wing. 

There are so many beetles in my garden! I don’t recognize any of them, having come from the west coast, with a different cast of characters. I know they’re not all bad; but also that some of them might be very bad. 

Do you have a resource that identifies (with pictures) good garden bugs vs bad garden bugs, focusing on the northeast?

Thanks, and happy gardening!

Heather
NEK

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The Question Asker Replied July 10, 2024, 1:26 PM EDT
Hi Heather: 

Here is something you can order online -

Mac's Field Guide: Bad Garden Bugs of the Northeast/Good Garden Bugs of the Northeast (Mac's Guides (Charts)) [Pamphlet] Chrt Ed. Craig MacGowan

We could help i.d. if you sent good, clear images.  

An Ask Extension Expert Replied July 10, 2024, 1:34 PM EDT
Thanks Lisa, that’s extremely helpful!

If it ever stops raining I’ll also try to get some good pics to send. 

Cheers,
Heather

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Dear Heather, here's the response to your question:

Hi Heather: 

Here is something you can order online -

Mac's Field Guide: Bad Garden Bugs of the Northeast/Good Garden Bugs of the Northeast (Mac's Guides (Charts)) [Pamphlet] Chrt Ed. Craig MacGowan

We could help i.d. if you sent good, clear images.  


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The Question Asker Replied July 10, 2024, 2:08 PM EDT
Hi!

Following on the beetle question, I wonder whether you can help me identify what’s eating my sunflower leaves. Find attached pictures of the damage (widespread, on all plants), and two pictures of beetles (the second one may not be a beetle…?) found on the plants. 

It’s really only the sunflowers being eaten. The garden is fairly big and everything very spaced out, in full-sun rows. There’s about four feet of close-mowed field all around the garden area, then a fence, then unmowed field, then brambles, then woods. 

Thanks for any light you can shed!

Heather

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024, Heather Immoor <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
Thanks Lisa, that’s extremely helpful!

If it ever stops raining I’ll also try to get some good pics to send. 

Cheers,
Heather

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Dear Heather, here's the response to your question:

Hi Heather: 

Here is something you can order online -

Mac's Field Guide: Bad Garden Bugs of the Northeast/Good Garden Bugs of the Northeast (Mac's Guides (Charts)) [Pamphlet] Chrt Ed. Craig MacGowan

We could help i.d. if you sent good, clear images.  


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The Question Asker Replied July 17, 2024, 10:56 AM EDT

Our resident UVM Extension Plant Pathologist, Dr. Ann Hazelrigg states:

The insects you are seeing are Tarnished Plant Bug. Below is information that Ann provided to a previous client who was dealing with this in their gardens.

"Every farmer would like to get rid of this pest! It attacks
flowers and buds, typically causing miss-shaped flowers and prefers alfalfa but when that is not around or flowering, it will attack everything else!! Since the pest is around all season, you would have to spray constantly, which is often not worth it. You can use row covers to exclude the pest."

Here is a great article from Penn State on the TPB. It seems that good weed management may be one key to keeping populations lower, though because of its wide host range (nearly 400 species!), it will be impossible to eliminate entirely. Here is
another article from U of NH.

The UNH article points to one other key to control -- increase
your local populations of predatory and parasitic insects to help keep populations of TPB to a minimum. My go-to list of plants that have small flowers for the small mouth parts of the adult predatory insects includes the following:
  • Annuals - Sweet Allysum, Basil, Cilantro, Dill, Brassicas
  • Perennials - Queen Anne's Lace, Yarrow, Self-Heal (Prunella)
There are many, and each draws specific beneficials, so check out this presentation from Cat Buxton on attracting beneficials and increasing biodiversity to your garden for more info. Also, check out this presentation from UVM Extension Specialist, Wendy Sue Harper, Assoc. Prof. Prescott College. Now there is A LOT of info in these presentations, but some slides are especially helpful to understand the ecosystem workings of your garden and how plants, fungus and insects are signalling various things to one another, including general health.

Dr. Hazelrigg indicated that the holes you are seeing (as shown in your images) are not caused by the TPB. She recommends going out at night with a flashlight to look for signs of slugs, or other night feeding insects if you are not seeing them during the day.

Thanks for your questions!  You would be a great candidate for our course!!

I hope this information is helpful.  
An Ask Extension Expert Replied July 17, 2024, 3:54 PM EDT
Oh this is extremely helpful, thank you so much!

Cheers,
Heather


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The Question Asker Replied July 18, 2024, 8:03 PM EDT
Me again!

With several questions. Thank you so much for your time, you're an invaluable resource and I'm so grateful.

So:

- Asiatic garden beetles AND Japanese beetles! Dang you guys have a lot of bugs here in Vermont. So after some reading my understanding is that BTg followed by an application of milky spore would help the situation. Does that sound right to you, and do you have any tips on application/timing? I've never worked with either. We're up in Island Pond, so zone 4a/b depending on what map you use.

- Mulch: I love mulch (especially straw mulch) and have used it in my western WA gardens with great success. Here, however, I'm finding that- between the rain and the humidity- the mulch harbors beetles, slugs, and earwigs, all of which are doing serious damage (especially the beetles, which I hand pick at night but it's a big plot and it's not feasible to do it every night). To complicate matters further, we don't currently have water available at the garden so I'm hand-hauling all of it. Mulch, of course, helps regulate soil moisture and temperature (today is 68! A week ago it was 92! It's supposed to be 68-70 for three days, then back to 92!). SO, what do you guys use for mulch? Compost is too expensive to be a realistic option, and it seems like everything else (bark, leaves, clippings, straw) all harbor destructive pests. Do you have any suggestions?

- Building soil tilth over winter: my garden is brand-new this year, as in we rototilled it out of a field that had never been used for food production. Do you have any suggestions on how I build the tilth over winter? The soil is not great, but not terrible (I did a soil test and it's low ph, with fairly low nutrients across the board, but really not as bad as it could've been). Do I cover crop? Lay down a layer of manure (already rotted, or not? Will it rot even during winter?)? Tarp, to warm the soil up quicker in spring and keep the snowmelt out? Not tarp?

Any ideas/suggestions/tips you could share would be very welcome, especially if you have someone around who gardens up here in the NEK!

Thanks very much,
Heather

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Oh this is extremely helpful, thank you so much!

Cheers,
Heather


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The Question Asker Replied July 23, 2024, 12:33 PM EDT

Hi Heather,

I'm glad you are finding our Helpline to be useful! Can I ask a favor? If you have future questions, would you mind starting a new Helpline question (the system keeps saying we are overdue since your first Q was in January). That would be great, thanks! https://www.uvm.edu/extension/mastergardener/helpline

Okay, for J. and Asiatic beetles, yes, they are in full force now. Hand picking and row covers are the way to go as well as adjusting lawn mowing schedule (keep grass clipped to 3" or higher). Nematodes and milky spore have had limited efficacy in Vermont, but with climate change, it is thought that milky spore might be more effective. Here's some guidance on timing: https://www.uvm.edu/~entlab/Landscape%20IPM/WhitegrubsinsoilJune2023.pdf.

We see straw mulch used in veggie gardens and wood mulch in ornamentals. Some folks also mulch with dried leaves. Yes, both do harbor slugs, earwigs, etc. It is a matter of weighing costs and benefits, i.e. pest pressure vs moisture retention. The slug population seems to be super high this year, attributed to last year's soggy season. Diatomaceous earth and trapping helps.

Building tilth--sure try cover crops. UMinn has some great suggestions: https://extension.umn.edu/managing-soil-and-nutrients/cover-crops-and-green-manures. Winter rye seems to be a popular choice among farmers as a winter cover crop. Here's a nice cover crop article for vegetable growers based on research conducted in Vermont: https://www.uvm.edu/sites/default/files/Northwest-Crops-and-Soils-Program/Articles_and_Factsheets/Integrated_Pest_Management_Guide_to_Adopting_Cover_Crops_on_Vegetable_Farms_in_the_Northeast_RM_HD_2_SB.pdf

It sounds like you'd be the perfect candidate for our Extension Master Gardener course which you can take with or without a volunteer commitment. Check it out at: https://www.uvm.edu/extension/mastergardener/extension-master-gardener-program

Happy Gardening! Replied July 23, 2024, 12:56 PM EDT

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